Pro Tools is an "Old Musicians" DAW?

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@woodike3300  4 weeks ago

No Maschine??     See Less

@Mind-Vitamins  4 weeks ago

How did I find this video and get sucked in? Cause now I can't stay quiet!

You're not wrong... a lot of what you said is 100% right, but specifically from your perspective.     See More way you laid out the argument, yes, you're correct. However you missed a major piece. ProTools isn't trying to compete as the same production tool that Logic is, and certainly not Ableton. They actually serve different niches, and because of that, I think for the foreseeable future, PT will remain.

I'm older than you, born in '77. I started hanging around studios when I was 13 and learned to record to 2" tape. I made the transition into ADAT & DA 88. then, DAWs. I bought Logic Audio in 1994 when Logic was just a MIDI sequencer, and Logic Audio was an upgrade that allowed you to record up to 4 tracks of digital audio! Emagic was still the owner of Logic at that time and we didn't even know if Apple was going to survive! (so yea, I'm an "old guy"). I bought Protools soon after along with a sound designed audio card for around $1000 that did 2 channels of digital audio, with a crap ton of latency... BUT WE COULD EDIT VOCALS!!!

I say that to say I lived the transition on every level. My focus in the 90's was more as a keyboard player and programming tracks. That's what Logic was 2nd to none at doing. It was a MIDI beast. The audio piece came later and primarily developed out of the need to develop better digital audio features to support the new software synths that were being developed.

Protools, on the other hand, solved a problem no one else could solve... with a Protools HD system you could replace a 2" tape machine and track with zero latency because it wasn't processing on the computer. When I built my studio, even though I preferred to program in Logic, I always tracked and mixed in Protools because there was so much more power with a PT HD system.

Today computing has caught up and we can do a lot more with a CPU based DAW than we could back then. But that's why Protools became the standard.

Protools has never been a synth production workstation. It does MIDI/sample instruments, but only as an afterthought and fairly poorly. ProTools is, has always been, and always will be a fairly simple software (relative to Logic) that works for the work flow of a studio musician in a high end studio environment. Said differently: it's the replacement for the old 2" tape/SSL console world... that's what it's great at. And while there are some really great alternatives today, I don't think any of them do the job Protools does as well as protools does it.

Yes, one could say "it just works" and that's exactly why it is the king of IT'S castle. If you have a session at oceanway dropping $5k+/hr with 40 piece orchestra on the floor... Protools is the only logical option... because it just works. When it comes to audio for film (most people don't realize film has been the primary innovator of audio technology!) Protools does what it does better than anyone.

It's not an "old guy tool". It's a Niche tool.

It's just that the "niche" Protools fills better than anyone, is a niche that percentage wise, very few people fit into. That's why it's expensive. That's why it's easy to judge from the outside and say "it's not as good". Because you're actually not the niche user for ProTools.

I sold my studio nearly 15 years ago. I still run Logic. If I ever built another studio I would install Protools in a heartbeat. But for what I do today (primarily synth and programming tracks) Logic is, and has always been, 1000x better than Protools. Because they are different tools!

Logic became really popular after Apple bought Emagic and dropped the price from $1100 to whatever it is today. Then they made Logic Lite and called it Garageband and gave it away. So it was/is a perfect gateway into the Logic world. I think Logic is by far the best PRODUCTION software. For what I do it's the best. And the things Logic does great, those things Protools has never been able to compete with.

But when it comes to tracking a large session, and replacing the user flow of the vintage studio production model... Protools still reigns supreme. I would never pretend Logic is as good AT THAT.

Ableton Live - is a completely different niche.
Reason - even a more different Niche.

ALL OTHERS are secondary.    See Less

@lamarasamuel  4 weeks ago

Use what you want.     See Less

@levondarratt787  4 weeks ago

As a post production supervisor in Hollywood I am here to tell you that Pro Tools is the standard but in post-production.yes. Not for pro audio music. In that world and that is the World We     See More , Anything Goes .PT, It's for dialogue editing sound replacement basically putting a movie together in post-production. All that fun and boring stuff at the same time. That is why it works well with Dolby Atmos surround sound systems and is integrated with Avid media composer which is also industry standard. That's why Avid purchased Pro tools. They don't care about the little music engineer they are in the big film business and that is what they hold their monopoly on. But even there Adobe premiere, black magic DaVinci Resolve have outpaced them with better features and AI.... Avid is an extremely aggressive company that holds Studios down and charges universities and big studios hundreds of thousands of dollars of Licensing fees, server fees, service contracts etc. In a way it's a brilliant plan to extract way more money. This will not end on its own except if Apple one day decides to buy them. It would take Apple one afternoon to buy Avid and flush it down the drain if they wish to do it. All that talk about industry standard won't help Avid if Apple, acompany that's a 1000 times larger wants it' gone....    See Less

@ridmaxrecords4261  4 weeks ago

Bolo thanks for the good work that you are doing.
Big up on yourself brother.     See Less

@theonecalledvino8165  4 weeks ago

Braddah! Everything you said was on point! You just had me going down Memory lane with the changes, It was a great time to see it all grow. It's good to see the Yutes making music happ     See More     See Less

@MALANDRO4EVER  4 weeks ago

How about Reaper?     See Less

@menelik23dedon  4 weeks ago

just got a call from Avid, they told me to tell you Cease And Desist😄     See Less

@calaradaclub  4 weeks ago

pushin it huh.. they kinda cooked u on the last one bout pro tools. u need pro tools redemption so u back to...     See Less

@johnmccullough4472  4 weeks ago

Lets get something straight. It doesn't matter what Daw you use. Its your Heavenly Gifts that The Lord Thy GOD gives you how to use your DAW to the fullest. So keep being creative in pro     See More     See Less

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107 Comments

@woodike3300  4 weeks ago

No Maschine??     See Less

@Mind-Vitamins  4 weeks ago

How did I find this video and get sucked in? Cause now I can't stay quiet!

You're not wrong... a lot of what you said is 100% right, but specifically from your perspective.     See More way you laid out the argument, yes, you're correct. However you missed a major piece. ProTools isn't trying to compete as the same production tool that Logic is, and certainly not Ableton. They actually serve different niches, and because of that, I think for the foreseeable future, PT will remain.

I'm older than you, born in '77. I started hanging around studios when I was 13 and learned to record to 2" tape. I made the transition into ADAT & DA 88. then, DAWs. I bought Logic Audio in 1994 when Logic was just a MIDI sequencer, and Logic Audio was an upgrade that allowed you to record up to 4 tracks of digital audio! Emagic was still the owner of Logic at that time and we didn't even know if Apple was going to survive! (so yea, I'm an "old guy"). I bought Protools soon after along with a sound designed audio card for around $1000 that did 2 channels of digital audio, with a crap ton of latency... BUT WE COULD EDIT VOCALS!!!

I say that to say I lived the transition on every level. My focus in the 90's was more as a keyboard player and programming tracks. That's what Logic was 2nd to none at doing. It was a MIDI beast. The audio piece came later and primarily developed out of the need to develop better digital audio features to support the new software synths that were being developed.

Protools, on the other hand, solved a problem no one else could solve... with a Protools HD system you could replace a 2" tape machine and track with zero latency because it wasn't processing on the computer. When I built my studio, even though I preferred to program in Logic, I always tracked and mixed in Protools because there was so much more power with a PT HD system.

Today computing has caught up and we can do a lot more with a CPU based DAW than we could back then. But that's why Protools became the standard.

Protools has never been a synth production workstation. It does MIDI/sample instruments, but only as an afterthought and fairly poorly. ProTools is, has always been, and always will be a fairly simple software (relative to Logic) that works for the work flow of a studio musician in a high end studio environment. Said differently: it's the replacement for the old 2" tape/SSL console world... that's what it's great at. And while there are some really great alternatives today, I don't think any of them do the job Protools does as well as protools does it.

Yes, one could say "it just works" and that's exactly why it is the king of IT'S castle. If you have a session at oceanway dropping $5k+/hr with 40 piece orchestra on the floor... Protools is the only logical option... because it just works. When it comes to audio for film (most people don't realize film has been the primary innovator of audio technology!) Protools does what it does better than anyone.

It's not an "old guy tool". It's a Niche tool.

It's just that the "niche" Protools fills better than anyone, is a niche that percentage wise, very few people fit into. That's why it's expensive. That's why it's easy to judge from the outside and say "it's not as good". Because you're actually not the niche user for ProTools.

I sold my studio nearly 15 years ago. I still run Logic. If I ever built another studio I would install Protools in a heartbeat. But for what I do today (primarily synth and programming tracks) Logic is, and has always been, 1000x better than Protools. Because they are different tools!

Logic became really popular after Apple bought Emagic and dropped the price from $1100 to whatever it is today. Then they made Logic Lite and called it Garageband and gave it away. So it was/is a perfect gateway into the Logic world. I think Logic is by far the best PRODUCTION software. For what I do it's the best. And the things Logic does great, those things Protools has never been able to compete with.

But when it comes to tracking a large session, and replacing the user flow of the vintage studio production model... Protools still reigns supreme. I would never pretend Logic is as good AT THAT.

Ableton Live - is a completely different niche.
Reason - even a more different Niche.

ALL OTHERS are secondary.    See Less

@lamarasamuel  4 weeks ago

Use what you want.     See Less

@levondarratt78...  4 weeks ago

As a post production supervisor in Hollywood I am here to tell you that Pro Tools is the standard but in post-production.yes. Not for pro audio music. In that world and that is the World We     See More , Anything Goes .PT, It's for dialogue editing sound replacement basically putting a movie together in post-production. All that fun and boring stuff at the same time. That is why it works well with Dolby Atmos surround sound systems and is integrated with Avid media composer which is also industry standard. That's why Avid purchased Pro tools. They don't care about the little music engineer they are in the big film business and that is what they hold their monopoly on. But even there Adobe premiere, black magic DaVinci Resolve have outpaced them with better features and AI.... Avid is an extremely aggressive company that holds Studios down and charges universities and big studios hundreds of thousands of dollars of Licensing fees, server fees, service contracts etc. In a way it's a brilliant plan to extract way more money. This will not end on its own except if Apple one day decides to buy them. It would take Apple one afternoon to buy Avid and flush it down the drain if they wish to do it. All that talk about industry standard won't help Avid if Apple, acompany that's a 1000 times larger wants it' gone....    See Less

@ridmaxrecords4...  4 weeks ago

Bolo thanks for the good work that you are doing.
Big up on yourself brother.     See Less

@theonecalledvi...  4 weeks ago

Braddah! Everything you said was on point! You just had me going down Memory lane with the changes, It was a great time to see it all grow. It's good to see the Yutes making music happ     See More     See Less

@MALANDRO4EVER  4 weeks ago

How about Reaper?     See Less

@menelik23dedon  4 weeks ago

just got a call from Avid, they told me to tell you Cease And Desist😄     See Less

@calaradaclub  4 weeks ago

pushin it huh.. they kinda cooked u on the last one bout pro tools. u need pro tools redemption so u back to...     See Less

@johnmccullough...  4 weeks ago

Lets get something straight. It doesn't matter what Daw you use. Its your Heavenly Gifts that The Lord Thy GOD gives you how to use your DAW to the fullest. So keep being creative in pro     See More     See Less